It’s nice to read that so many people do not like this thing called AI, I thought it’s only me.
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That depends completely and entirely on implementation. In order to “not force people to use it”, an AI would need to:
- Preferably not be installed by default
- If it IS installed by default:
- Not active at all on boot– that means not in memory, no processor time allotted to it
- ONLY called up when the user EXPLICITLY runs it
I bring this up because a lot of implementations of AI fail these rules in one way or another. Examples include:
- Firefox, which by default has processor time allotted for auto-naming tab groups and for a sidebar chatbot, even if the user never uses tab groups at all and never makes the sidebar visible
- Google Search, which puts an AI summary right at the top of Every. Single. Search. And that’s if you don’t bring up the AI integration into Google Assistant– a few months back I tried to set a timer by saying “Hey Google, set a 10 minute timer”, and instead of setting a timer it brought up an AI chatbot which proceeded to try to tell me how to set up a timer. Like that’s not what I asked you for
- Microsoft Windows, which shoves a great big AI chatbot button onto the taskbar by default.
So uh, yeah. “No one is forcing you to use it”? Yes. Yes, they are.
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no they are not.
no one is forcing you to use firefox, google or winblows. I dont use any of those.
And if some kind of LLM is implemented in Kdevelop you can still use other IDE.
It’s much more than “you just don’t need to use it”. Developers have to implement it and if there are no new developers who just came for that purpose, it reduces the time to do something more useful (in example bug fixes or stability improvements). Also AI often uses much more power for tasks and software should be power-optimized these days (not only for mobile devices like laptops and phones). No more Blue-Angel for KDE software?
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not against AI, I’m just against AI-nonsense and against unethically AI models. There are really useful things AI can do like filtering noise and loud background sounds locally without internet connection for that AI model when people calling someone that common tools are not able to do - and I think these can be trained without stealing data. But you ask for default integration of at least to this point abusive AI-models.
I’m forced to use Firefox (based browser), because there is no alternative, which indeed I’m looking for (like Servo/Verso). And similar to a friend who would love to join the Linux-world, but stick with his professional tools that do not run on Linux while he cannot use alternatives for his purpose. Free in choice are privileged people.
Or if it is not integrated you can still use some other IDE which has LLM integrated. I guess you see the issue with this kind of argumentation. As I said previously, there is no issue having addons for AI-bot, so everyone has to make their own decisions. There is also no issue with specialized AI that is trained in an ethical way and a) solves something common solutions cannot do or cannot do well or b) is more efficient to do these in same quality level.
To conclude: integration or not integration of such piece of software is also a statement which kind of philosophy an organization is following. Do they agree with abusing people or not, do they agree with increasing energy usage for no much gain or not. Such things…
True, but everyone has the right to have a choice- how they do it is up to them. @adonis does have a point in their post above. I do understand that can be difficult to do homework/research, but it does pay off to have an informed opinion.
If you are truly forced into to using it and it’s FOSS, you DO HAVE the choice to request to have a setting to turn it off/on. If enough people agree, it can be done. Uniting for what is right is what makes the FOSS community strong and shouldn’t make people privileged for their choices. We are meant to be one by natural design.
As for Firefox, if you don’t want to use it, you can simply hide the button from the toolbar. I believe it doesn’t affect how you do things.
The choice to request something is not the choice to not use it. It is the choice to hope it becomes better - which may never happen. In example: does the hidden Button in Firefox remove the disk, RAM and CPU usage? Does it stop collecting Data if I never looked into the settings to disable telemetry? That people started to hate Firefox who are using it for all the time they use internet has a reason. That people hope for Ladybird or Servo/Verso has the same reason. AI is just the next step of the hate-ladder. Should it start for KDE as well that people stop trusting them? You see that other users see it as red flag.
My own first reaction when I saw AI integration (without installed model) on kdenlive was not “yay”, but “oh please not”. And fun fact: exactly this kind of AI I would like to use to protect my biometric voice data from AI when creating videos. I still don’t use any, because it is trained by other biometrical data from people who never had a choice to decline data usage.
What you mean with “having choice” is what I have with Blender: the default comes without any kind of AI. If I want AI (and I was one of the first who tried it), I download an addon like DreamTextures, download and load in a multi-gigabyte AI model and run it. No need to have it by default, but still have the choice. (I wouldn’t use it in a valuable production for ethical and quality reason.)
I see that my post has been removed for no good reason. It did not violate coc.
I see that so called “freedoms” only go so far until my opinion clashes with “general consesus”. After that it’s north korea.
Admin you can remove my account and no more donations from me.
I just want to point out that I couldn’t even read your message, so I don’t know if the hidden/removed message had a reason or not. In case you are right and your post was just fine: this overblock exist in any Discourse used forums. That’s one of the reasons why I dislike Discourse (this forum software). It is nothing special about this community etc - this happens everywhere.
You were out of line and way too combative. You can take a breather or we can go ahead and remove your account. Let me know what you want to do.
By the way, this thread is now locked. You folks are getting way too upset about this.