no problem! I wish I could come up with a suggestion for a better design, and not just “complaining” about it.
I mean, you can argue it all you like. Try taking this up to mozilla and getting them to fix a bug that only happens in this one distro and also happens to that distro with other apps, when you haven’t even reported it to the distro, and see how you fare. Good luck. You’ll need it.
I would suggest replacing the fallback icon with something indicative of drag and drop functionality or anything that doesn’t imply that it’s a mute toggle. I also learned today, in this thread, that those entries are draggable; while that’s not exactly useful information for me, it’s a shame that the UI doesn’t suggest the feature exists.
Also, OP, I don’t know if it’s a KDE thing or a Fedora thing but when a program is generating audio, my system shows a speaker icon in it’s tab on the panel (which is also a mute button) and the preview has a volume slider too.
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In neon firefox is a snap package (by default).
That’s probably the issue, the firefox .desktop file is not visible to the system…
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Actually if you pay attention, the mouse cursor changes to a hand when you move over these icons. However people tend to see what they have in mind and not what is in front of them. I was try to click these icons, without even noticing they the mouse changes to a hand.
I believe that if it was the application icon, it would be less confusing. maybe 
no it’s not a snap. it’s mozilla’s package like @claydoh said. I just checked (there are no snaps at all in my system)
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No, Mozilla’s apt repo had been used for some time now.
Taking a Kubuntu 25.10 install with a proper icon showing, removing snap, and replacing Firefox using Mozilla’s repo does produce the same fallback as neon.
Another thing that can make it hard to mute applications is the fact that they disappear from the list after 5 seconds of not playing audio, which makes it frustrating to turn down or mute the sound of applications that don’t play audio continuously.
BTW: It’s not only firefox that has the generic icon. I noticed that klickety (the kde game) also has a generic icon.
I may need to file a bug report or (even better) try and fix it :\
Personally I didn’t have a problem finding the mute function, probably because I’ve used it in the Devices tab before. However if I were to consider how to suggest the drag and drop functionality to new users (as I didn’t notice it was a feature until today) I think adding some type of 4 way arrow on top of the app icon might help. Also adding the word Mute next to the smaller speaker icon could help new users find the Mute button, though it does add complexity (visual clutter?) to the menu layout.
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Or the big icons could include a small hand in the icon itself, not just on hover.
how draggable items are normally shown is with their own dedicated drag handle
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That’s not the same kind of draggable.
What you show is a list-reordering-drag.
For the audio output you need to drag an application to the other tab and drop it on the output you wanted.
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oh, so like how tabs in firefox are draggable to another desktop and you don’t want to have to show a drag handle in the UI.
i would think then showing the hand cursor on hover would be more than enough of a clue for discoverability… in firefox you don’t even get that unless you click on the tab and start to actually drag it.
I keep learning things about the audio output UI in this thread…
Now that I’m seeing it again, isn’t the drag-n-drop functionality redundant? I mean there’s a dedicated icon and a popup menu is shown which allows you to assign the application to a specific output. Right?
avez vous modifier votre Devices ?