libadwaita is the best thing happened in the Linux ecosystem.
pamac was always being designed as a Gnome app and always follows the latest design concepts - period.
Reading such things and in such tone from the main dev of Manjaro is truly disturbing. Neglecting KDE and making it look horrible with that libadwaita/GTK4 -whichever it is- abomination by not providing an alternative, native pamac version based on Qt is in my opinion a reason for “Dropping Manjaro from the 1st page of distributions with KDE” 2.0 . (1.0 was in October 2021).
IMHO apps are free to choose any UI toolkit they like. Using libadwaita doesn’t make an app “look horrible” in KDE Plasma. And a KDE desktop doesn’t mean all apps must look KDE-ish.
I spend perhaps 90% of my time in three apps: vscode, which doesn’t even try to look like KDE or GNOME; Kitty, which uses the GLFW toolkit with no platform theming either; Firefox, which does have Breeze-ish window controls and menus, just that. I don’t feel horrible at all using them in a Plasma desktop. They all look slightly different, but I can interact with them and KDE apps in similar ways. That’s good enough. I don’t care if the “restore” button is a diamond or a square, as long as it’s the second button to the right.
That applies to libadwaita too. I uses GNOME’s D-Spy daily, instead of qdbusviewer, because it’s better in some details. There’s no point to prefer qdbusviewer just because it’s based on Qt and has Breeze theming.
I’ve been using Manjaro Plasma 5 for 3 years and my experience is excellent. Another distro would have the same or other plasma or no-plasma bugs.
I use pamac-cli and pamac-gtk packages and it looks great. I only added native Plasma window title bar (screenshot) and it looks good to me.
I don’t know what native plasma Pamac could bring that gtk version doesn’t have. It would be waste of time and resources, in my opinion.
Bedna, how many times do I need to post this? Are you OK?
“Neglecting KDE and making it look horrible with that libadwaita/GTK4 -whichever it is- abomination by not providing an alternative, native pamac version based on Qt is in my opinion a reason for “Dropping Manjaro from the 1st page of distributions with KDE” 2.0 . (1.0 was in October 2021 )”
I am, thanks for asking, or were you just trying to be toxic?
But I do not understand what KDE and its application Discover has to do with manjaros package manager pamac?
If you want pamac to use KDE rather than gnome visual, you should ask THEM to do that, there is absolutely nothing KDE can do about that.
I have to admit now that I failed to add plasma title bar to pamac on Wayland (plasma 5.27). The screenshot was from xorg session.
Getting back to the point, I doubt if KDE distro based on arch would change anything. I am sure KDE Neon faces the same problems. It just doesn’t use pamac. But building a distro to have plasma pamac is an overkill, I would say. I am not against it but saying that the whole community needs it is an overstatement based on personal needs.
It is a matter of proper integration of apps in desktop environments and proper cooperation of developers of various DE’s to deliver tools that help in this integration. That would benefit more community members.
I have searched for the thread about the upcoming KDE arch based distro and cannot find it. If someone has it linked can you please point me to it? THANKS
I have searched for the thread about the upcoming KDE arch based distro and cannot find it. If someone has it linked can you please point me to it? THANKS
There’s KaOS; a qt KDE exclusive distro using pacman. To be truly a KDE distro is important to focus on plasma and qt software in general, for the sake of economic resources. Having the everything distro is hard. The only caveat of KaOS currently is a outdated systems, which prevents features like like, dracut and tpm2 autonlock.
