To use the mouse/menu, you have to do the following:
Click to open the menu, then work out the category… maybe ‘Utilities’.
Click that, move right and then scroll down until you see kfind.
Click when it’s highlighted.
I estimate that this did indeed take me a good 6 seconds.
Let’s remember that this kind of ‘workflow’ is only really used for items when you don’t already know what you’re talking about… whether it’s some kind of ‘editor’ or ‘search’ or ‘finder’…
KFind is obviously (possibly?) going to come up if you type search more likely with find but could come up if you want to search for a file or folder which is why ‘type ahead’ menu filtering has consolidated itself as the best way to find applications. Menus are more suited for casual browsing where speed isn’t such an issue.
Metakf⏎ Enter took me much less than one second - ok, round it up to a full second.
I’m unable to find ‘Convergence’ but fail to see why it would take anywhere near five seconds to type ‘kf’.
To be quite fair, I feel like the biggest issue is that this redesign does not bring enough change that would make it better than the default Kickoff menu. To address both your points and the AI’s:
The large box wouldn’t really prevent overshooting. Most users do not navigate their cursors to the search box when opening Kickoff, rather, they just begin typing instead. In my personal opinion, I feel like this makes the top bar area significantly larger and visually less appealing as a result. Basically, it looks like it needs a diet.
I do agree with this point, but I don’t feel like the implementation is great here. I don’t believe enlarging the profile icon is a good way to catch the viewer’s eyes to the categories better. This implementation also doesn’t really help or not help someone new to using Kickoff find the categories, it just sort of… doesn’t have much of an effect.
I somewhat agree with this, but I don’t know if reducing hesitation is the correct term. Rather, I believe that it makes the area more cleaner, rather than influencing the viewer’s potential struggle to click the correct button (which I am assuming what hesitation means here).
This is probably hallucination from the AI, because I really do not know what difference it is referring to here.
As for the keyboard navigation, this is already able to be done very easily in Plasma, and this menu itself doesn’t appear to add anything to it.
I do not believe this menu qualifies as being touch friendly, as its simply a slightly different version of the Kickoff menu. Additionally, the AI’s analysis hallucinates your menu added features that Plasma already has.
@reisub Indeed. To me, the brief discussion with techperson3033 felt a bit like trying to understand chinese… the only thing I understood was “I want more gradients” - how that might speed up stuff remains a mystery to me. Therefore please feel free to clean up and delete my posts here.
The entire reason to do this, was. "clean up KDE Plasma and it’s apps, make a UI that feels better then the WIP Ocean theme , and make it more accessible and faster.".
That had diverged into madness the first time I did this.
“Convergence” is the name of this redesigned Kickoff menu.
… by making (to sum up as I understand your claims from what you wrote)
a launcher that looks - with the exception of a bigger user picture and a lot more IMHO useless padding around the search bar - from all I can tell exactly like the KDE default launcher, with the exception that you need one more click to shut down the computer
gradients and
“vibrant” icons with “more artisticness”?
I am a technician, not a designer. But if the designers at work came up to me with this I would kindly suggest to them to smoke a little less of whatever they were taking…
The problem isn’t that the prior conversation became chaotic. The problem is the implementation. It’s a cool idea to make KDE Plasma look more modern, sleek, and rounded. Though, to be blunt, this isn’t good. I understand the intention, but you created a nearly identical Kickoff menu, and are branding it as a ‘redesigned’ version of it.
The truth is, and I mean this is in the nicest of ways, nobody sees it like that, and nobody will see this execution of it like that. Nobody’s against you for using AI, people are against the way you’re using it. It made up statistics that, that even if they were true, highly depend on the person using it. Someone will take a few seconds longer to find the categories in plain old Kickoff than another. That’s normal. There’s no practical way to test that, because it’s not what designers focus on. They focus on making it easy to use, nice to look at, and appropriately designed for what it will be used for. Unfortunately, your implementation hasn’t changed much, and in a few ways, has made it a bit more difficult.
Really, I mean this in the nicest way, but man, this implementation is very bad at what you’re trying to achieve. Redesigns are wonderful, but you cannot enlarge a profile icon and the area near it, and expect people to interpret it as more accessible and faster.
I’m confused - are you actually human? The original posting appeared to be a straight AI delusion, with no real content and a lot of text explaining how it would be vastly superior.
I have no idea what the actual idea is, and my rejection isn’t based on the fact that you ‘leveraged’ AI to assist you, it’s that the only real content appears to be entirely made up with AI slop.
Nobody else seems to have had similarly ridiculously slow launch times that your AI assistance revealed - a pure hallucination.
In short, this thread STARTED OUT as madness, and you simply rejected any rational discussion. I don’t think there’s a single person that understands the point of it.
