The behavior I’m used to when running pkcon update is that it looks for updates, lists any that are available and then asks me if I do want to update. If I confirm I then get a dialog asking for my password.
with the dialog popping up asking for my password without a list of packages given. Did the default behavior change to eliminate the need for manual confirmation or what is going on here?
I would like to know exactly what I’m authorizing before giving my password. “Authentication is required to update software” is not sufficient if I haven’t been given a list of that software previously.
Operating System: KDE neon 6.2
KDE Plasma Version: 6.2.3
KDE Frameworks Version: 6.8.0
Qt Version: 6.8.0
Kernel Version: 6.8.0-48-generic (64-bit)
Use apt directly if you want to see everything. Pkcon hides useful content when it runs apt, so sometimes it is beneficial to use it directly if you prefer to use pkcon.
sudo apt update
sudo apt full-upgrade
Pkcon doesn’t need authentication to check for updates, only when installing them, just like it works in Discover. Your terminal output seems to indicate this.
I can’t say why pkcon isn’t showing what it is updating, though. I tested it here and I saw all the updates listed.
$ pkcon update
Getting updates [=========================]
Finished [=========================]
Testing changes [=========================]
Finished [ ] (0%)
The following packages have to be installed:
gdal-data-3.8.4+dfsg-3ubuntu3.all Geospatial Data Abstraction Library - Data files
gdal-plugins-3.8.4+dfsg-3ubuntu3.amd64 Geospatial Data Abstraction Library - Plugins
libaec0-1.1.2-1build1.amd64 Adaptive Entropy Coding library
libarmadillo12-1:12.6.7+dfsg-1build2.amd64 streamlined C++ linear algebra library
libarpack2t64-3.9.1-1.1build2.amd64 Fortran77 subroutines to solve large scale eigenvalue problems
libbabl-0.1-0-1:0.1.108-1.amd64 Dynamic, any to any, pixel format conversion library
libblosc1-1.21.5+ds-1build1.amd64 high performance meta-compressor optimized for binary data
libcharls2-2.4.2-2build2.amd64 Implementation of the JPEG-LS standard
libfreexl1-2.0.0-1build2.amd64 library for direct reading of Microsoft Excel spreadsheets
libfyba0t64-4.1.1-11build1.amd64 FYBA library to read and write Norwegian geodata standard format SOSI
libgdal34t64-3.8.4+dfsg-3ubuntu3.amd64 Geospatial Data Abstraction Library
libgdcm3.0t64-3.0.22-2.1ubuntu1.amd64 Grassroots DICOM runtime libraries
libgeos-c1t64-3.12.1-3build1.amd64 Geometry engine for Geographic Information Systems - C Library
libgeos3.12.1t64-3.12.1-3build1.amd64 Geometry engine for Geographic Information Systems - C++ Library
libgeotiff5-1.7.1-5build1.amd64 GeoTIFF (geografic enabled TIFF) library -- run-time files
libhdf4-0-alt-4.2.16-4build1.amd64 Hierarchical Data Format library (without NetCDF)
libhdf5-103-1t64-1.10.10+repack-3.1ubuntu4.amd64 HDF5 C runtime files - serial version
libhdf5-hl-100t64-1.10.10+repack-3.1ubuntu4.amd64 HDF5 High Level runtime files - serial version
libkmlbase1t64-1.3.0-12build1.amd64 Library to manipulate KML 2.2 OGC standard files - libkmlbase
libkmldom1t64-1.3.0-12build1.amd64 Library to manipulate KML 2.2 OGC standard files - libkmldom
libkmlengine1t64-1.3.0-12build1.amd64 Library to manipulate KML 2.2 OGC standard files - libkmlengine
liblept5-1.82.0-3build4.amd64 image processing library
libnetcdf19t64-1:4.9.2-5ubuntu4.amd64 Interface for scientific data access to large binary data
libodbcinst2-2.3.12-1ubuntu0.24.04.1.amd64 Support library for accessing ODBC configuration files
libogdi4.1-4.1.1+ds-3build1.amd64 Open Geographic Datastore Interface Library -- library
libopencv-calib3d406t64-4.6.0+dfsg-13.1ubuntu1.amd64 computer vision Camera Calibration library
libopencv-contrib406t64-4.6.0+dfsg-13.1ubuntu1.amd64 computer vision contrlib library
libopencv-dnn406t64-4.6.0+dfsg-13.1ubuntu1.amd64 computer vision Deep neural network module
libopencv-features2d406t64-4.6.0+dfsg-13.1ubuntu1.amd64 computer vision Feature Detection and Descriptor Extraction library
libopencv-flann406t64-4.6.0+dfsg-13.1ubuntu1.amd64 computer vision Clustering and Search in Multi-Dimensional spaces library
libopencv-highgui406t64-4.6.0+dfsg-13.1ubuntu1.amd64 computer vision High-level GUI and Media I/O library
libopencv-imgcodecs406t64-4.6.0+dfsg-13.1ubuntu1.amd64 computer vision Image Codecs library
libopencv-ml406t64-4.6.0+dfsg-13.1ubuntu1.amd64 computer vision Machine Learning library
libopencv-objdetect406t64-4.6.0+dfsg-13.1ubuntu1.amd64 computer vision Object Detection library
libopencv-video406t64-4.6.0+dfsg-13.1ubuntu1.amd64 computer vision Video analysis library
libopenshot26-0.3.3+dfsg2+1190+202406251505+daily~ubuntu24.04.1.amd64 library for high quality video editing
libproj25-9.4.0-1build2.amd64 Cartographic projection library
libprotobuf32t64-3.21.12-8.2build1.amd64 protocol buffers C++ library
libqhull-r8.0-2020.2-6build1.amd64 calculate convex hulls and related structures (reentrant shared library)
libqt5webengine-data-5.15.16+dfsg-5+24.04+noble+release+build4.all Web content engine library for Qt - Data
libqt5webengine5-5.15.16+dfsg-5+24.04+noble+release+build4.amd64 Web content engine library for Qt
libqt5webenginecore5-5.15.16+dfsg-5+24.04+noble+release+build4.amd64 Web content engine library for Qt - Core
libqt5webenginewidgets5-5.15.16+dfsg-5+24.04+noble+release+build4.amd64 Web content engine library for Qt - Widget
librttopo1-1.1.0-3build2.amd64 Tuscany Region topology library
libsocket++1-1.12.13+git20131030.5d039ba-1build1.amd64 lightweight convenience library to handle low level BSD sockets in C++ - libs
libspatialite8t64-5.1.0-3build1.amd64 Geospatial extension for SQLite - libraries
libsuperlu6-6.0.1+dfsg1-1build1.amd64 Direct solution of large, sparse systems of linear equations
libsz2-1.1.2-1build1.amd64 Adaptive Entropy Coding library - SZIP
libtesseract5-5.3.4-1build5.amd64 Tesseract OCR library
liburiparser1-0.9.7+dfsg-2build1.amd64 URI parsing library compliant with RFC 3986
libxerces-c3.2t64-3.2.4+debian-1.2ubuntu2.amd64 validating XML parser library for C++
proj-bin-9.4.0-1build2.amd64 Cartographic projection library (tools)
proj-data-9.4.0-1build2.all Cartographic projection filter and library (datum package)
python3-defusedxml-0.7.1-2.all XML bomb protection for Python stdlib modules (for Python 3)
python3-pyqt5.qtopengl-5.15.11+dfsg-1+24.04+noble+release+build3.amd64 Python 3 bindings for Qt5's OpenGL module
python3-pyqt5.qtwebchannel-5.15.11+dfsg-1+24.04+noble+release+build3.amd64 Python 3 bindings for Qt5's WebChannel module
python3-pyqt5.qtwebengine-5.15.6-1+24.04+noble+release+build3.amd64 Python 3 bindings for Qt5's WebEngine module
unixodbc-common-2.3.12-1ubuntu0.24.04.1.all Common ODBC configuration files
The following packages have to be updated:
openshot-qt-3.2.1+dfsg2+1693+202407112018~ubuntu24.04.1.all OpenShot video editor
python3-openshot-0.3.3+dfsg2+1190+202406251505+daily~ubuntu24.04.1.amd64 Python bindings for the OpenShot library
Proceed with changes? [N/y]
I have an alias for updating that runs sudo apt full-upgrade before running pkcon update. Sometimes (like today) apt wants to hold back a few packages though (phased updates maybe?) and pkcon usually installs those. But it does normally list them first. That’s why I’m confused.
Why? you are quite literally running the same command twice.
Yes, this is likely.
And usually it doesn’t even show these phased packages at all just like it doesn’t show packages held for other reasons (I think, it has been ages since I used it), it just installs them when they are available. Phasing is sort of random, and the pkcon session my not be phased, while the apt one is.
My alias includes flatpaks and a few other things as well. As for apt and pkcon: pkcon is what is recommended for Neon last I checked, but unfortunately has the bad habit of freezing somewhere around 60-80% completion if there is a big number of updates. apt doesn’t have that problem. I only run pkcon as a safeguard, so no one tells me “well if you had used pkcon to update like you’re supposed to, package xyz would have been upgraded already and you wouldn’t be having this problem.”
Just ignore those people, tbh.
No neon dev is going to fault you for using apt.
Pkcon (and Discover) is nothing more than a wrapper calling whatever the distro’s native packaging tool is. On Debian and Ubuntu based systems, this will be apt.
