Sync Audio to Clip and create Zones from it

Hi everyone,

I’m currently testing Lightworks and Kdenlive for my YouTube channel. I tend to prefer Kdenlive overall, but Lightworks has two features I really like:

  1. Manual audio‑clip syncing – I can align an external audio file to a video clip, then create a synced “master” file for the project.

In Kdenlive, however, I’ve noticed that when I need to sync audio I have to:

  • Render the entire clip with the new audio, and

  • Create a proxy clip from that rendered file again.

Is this the correct workflow in Kdenlive, or is there a way to sync audio files directly within the project bin (without re‑rendering and recreating proxies) to create a Zone ?

Thanks for any tips!

I think there is: Look at this section of the online Kdenlive documentation. You need to scroll down a bit to get to the paragraphs about aligning audio.

Really ? I can’t find it ;( don’t miss understand me i now how to align audio to a clip but the problem is that i wan to create a zone from it for the logging phase of the workflow

I think we are :slight_smile: You might need to spell out exactly what your endgame is here.

I want to create a zone

A ‘zone’ of what, around what, to do what? I’m not sure you’re using that word in the same sense kdenlive does.

Hi Ron,

Sorry for the delayed reply. Let me walk you through the process step by step.

  1. I started a new project that includes two separate files: a video file and an audio file.

  2. Using Kdenlive’s Align feature, I synchronized the external audio with the video, and that worked perfectly.

  3. Now I want to create sub‑clips (or zones) from this synced clip. When I do this, the sub‑clips retain the original audio track from the video instead of the newly aligned audio.

  4. To get the synced audio onto the sub‑clips, I have to render the entire video with the new audio, re‑import the rendered file as a fresh clip, and then create the sub‑clips.

  5. In Lightworks, this extra rendering step isn’t necessary—the sub‑clips automatically keep the synced audio.

Hope that makes things easier to follow! Let me know if you need any further clarification.

With you and on the same page to that point.

Now I want to create sub‑clips (or zones) from this synced clip.

Yeah that’s not going to work quite how you’re thinking. Even if you group those two together, they are still unique ‘clips’, they don’t become a single clip for the purposes of most clip operations.

You can move them as a group, do some manipulations as a group, even cut segments out and move them around as a sub-group - but they are still a group not a clip, (and yes I know that gets a little confusing when you can ungroup video and audio from a single clip, but that’s a different rabbit hole to go down :wink:

You can treat them more like a single clip if you move them to a sequence and then nest (pieces of) that sequence into your main timeline sequence.

But we still don’t actually give you a way to insert a zone from the timeline into the clip bin the way that we do from the clip monitor for clips. For things in the timeline, the nearest equivalent operation is “save clip part to bin”, which requires you to actually cut the “clip part” that you want to save, not just mark it with a zone. And that should work how you expect if you do it on the nested sequence with your realigned audio in it.

It’s not clear if that is simpler than just cutting the group and directly putting the piece of it where you want it - but really, the main reason to want to add a segment like that to the bin is if you are going to reuse it multiple times in one or more timeline sequences of your project, so it depends a bit on the bigger picture around each case too.

So yes, it’s different to what you are used to. and there’s several different ways to do what you fundamentally want to do (cut up your synced AV into Useful Portions for editing) depending on exactly what you want to do with them next - but it can be done without the intermediate render step - and the interesting question, once you’ve experimented a bit with these other options, is whether there is something useful we can do to make this as easy as possible, without sacrificing the other things that the distinctions between clips and groups and sequences make possible.

The timeline option was originally called “Save timeline zone to bin”, but that’s never been what it actually did, and it’s not quite clear if the reason for that is something deeply fundamental, or just habit and established practice - but this might be something we should revisit and have another think about given all the other UI changes and improvements since then.

Let me know if you need any further clarification.

Ditto : D

I am especially interested in whether this helps you develop even more efficient ways to handle these sort of intermediate composite resources or whether you’ll still see ways that could be improved further.

But basically if you replace “sub-clips” with “segments of a nested sequence” in your description, it should work how you’re expecting.

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Thank you for the detailed answer.

The issue isn’t technical I know I could achieve the same results with Kdenlive. However, after trying the Lightworks workflow, I realized how much more efficient it is. In this context, the subclip feature feels largely unnecessary.

That said, I still enjoy working with Kdenlive; I even donated to the project because of it. But for my current needs, Lightworks offers a smoother workflow for me :blush:


Why do you want the ‘sub clips’ in the bin for your case?

Are you actually reusing them multiple times? Because if you aren’t, then just grouping the clips you want to treat “as one” (select them and Ctrl+G or group clips from the context menu) and working with them that way is definitely the easiest method (it just wasn’t what you originally asked for). That lets you treat any arbitrary set of clips as a single block in the timeline.

And even if you do occasionally reuse them, you can always copy/paste grouped clips as an atomic unit (including between separate projects or different instances of kdenlive), they just don’t appear in the bin that way, but you can then edit the copy independently of the original, which is a differently useful thing to be able to do. (those sections are higlighted in the clip monitor as used parts of those clips though).

after trying the Lightworks workflow, I realized how much more efficient it is.

Then I really appreciate you taking the time to come back here to share more with us!

I do keep saying, use the right tool for the job, and kdenlive isn’t always the right tool for every part of every job.

I am always keen to identify anything we might be able to do better than we currently do - and we are a bit perl, there’s almost always more than one way to do any given task, and which is the best and easiest will entirely depend on what other things you are doing along with and around it.

Which means it’s likewise important to try and figure out which of these things are a learning curve problem (which we should fix with more and better tutorials), and which are something that is just somehow fundamentally harder than they need to be which we should rethink. User stories like yours are invaluable for how they help us see where the rough edges still are, and where people would like to be doing things differently. Thanks for sharing with us!

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Thanks for offering workflow solutions, but I’ve fallen in love with Lightworks. These days, almost everyone on YouTube reuses footage you record a long form video, then trim it into a main “announcement” piece, and finally pull Shorts from the same material. I also prefer decentralized platforms, but I’m curious will Kdelive have in the future a youtube export feature ? Because this a other thing what i like on Lightworks

I’m still just trying to properly get my head around exactly how you’re working, and which bits are actually key to that - which is why I asked why you wanted all of your cut up pieces in the bin. I think we’re still talking past each other just a bit on this one and not quite capturing the meaning perfectly.

These days, almost everyone on YouTube reuses footage you record a long form video, then trim it into a main “announcement” piece, and finally pull Shorts from the same material.

Unless I’m missing something there, that’s not really a new thing - that’s what editing is, since the days they were doing it with razor blades and sticky tape and shipping ‘trailers’ around in metal cans : )

We have markers and project notes and all sorts of tools that are usually more suited to collating all those pieces in a quickly searchable way than just duplicating the timeline in the bin. So I was curious if that was something actually intrinsic to (part of?) how you are working, or just One Way You’d Figured Out to do things.

will Kdenlive have in the future a youtube export feature ?

In what sense? Do you mean profiles optimised for the platform - or just an upload button?

For the former, there’s a whole range of additional resources available, if the standard profiles don’t do the trick, and you can always add your own.

If you mean the latter, how would you want that to work? Do you want to just upload blind immediately after rendering? Personally, I always actually watch my final renders before I commit to them (because it’s always way too easy to forget to reenable some track or clip you temporarily disabled during color grading and final post before doing the final render, and you see things with different eyes when you are watching rather than editing) - so that seems more like something you’d want from the final viewer rather than going back into kdenlive for?

But again, this is about learning from real user stories, and refining practice through discussion, not telling experienced users “how they should work”.

Yea i think we have a misunderstanding so i recorded a video ^^

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Thanks! That was actually really helpful to see exactly what you are doing.

Though I had to watch it twice to double check, and I am chuckling a bit now, because the difference between the two workflows is actually infinitely smaller than I was originally imagining : D In fact the only real difference seems to be the name of what you “make” from your aligned grouping.

In lightworks, you do the alignment and then “make sync”. In kdenlive the almost completely identical operation is do the audio alignment, select which timeline clips you want to be part of your “sync” (lasso and/or shift-click), and then “Create Sequence from Selection”. Now you have exactly what make sync gave you, and you can rename the new sequence anything you want, you can even call it ‘sync’!

After that, if you select the new sequence in the bin, it will appear in the clip monitor, where you can use the zone in/out markers and “Insert zone in project bin” to do exactly what you showed in your video.

The lightworks ‘sync’ just appears to be a subset of the more generic sequence which can be used for more than just this.

Which still doesn’t change that if you feel more comfortable in Lightworks and do get things done more efficiently there, that you should use it. But I am still curious if there is something else I’m missing, and if you try to do it in Kdenlive how I described above, there is still some part of that which Lightworks really does make easier and that we should look at - but from your video, they really do look like almost identical tasks, just with slightly differently named buttons. It’s not even a case of “getting to the same place in a different way” in this case, what you need to do looks almost exactly the same.

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thanks with this workflow i can work :smiley:

Awesome :smiley: I’m glad we got to the same page in the end! And that the flow you really liked is something we just might need to document better (we have a few folks making good tutorial videos, so hopefully someone will run with this and put one up ; )

But definitely don’t be shy about flagging anything you think we might improve on!

@Ron i have one other question because when i create the sequence and want to create subclips from it than the audio preview isn’t right so its difficult to find the subclips

Sorry, I’m not sure what you mean by “the audio preview isn’t right”?

If you select the clips in the bin they should show you exactly which zone of the original they are from (and you can rename them if that helps you organise them).

I could be wrong, but I think the issue with the audio preview that @marix mentioned is that sequences don’t show audio thumbnails in the timeline.

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Yes, this is an issue - no audio waveform on sequences.

The team is working to solve this issue and waveform should show up on sequences. I think the fix will come in version 26.04 (April 22026).

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thank you for the info :smiley: