The title pretty much says it all: why are toolbars toggles in settings menu and not in view?
I just spend a while looking for this, it would seem natural to me to have this setting in the view menu, not in settings? It changes what is displayed in the app, panels (dolphin) and sidebars (Kate) are already in the view menu and frankly, I do not see much difference between them from a user peerspectie. Both are “places where some buttons go”.
The only rationale that comes to my mind is better discoverability when one by accident hides the toolbar. Though that seems dubious to me - I think it is counterintuitive.
Settings is the logical place to put things you change to set up your workspace; these are semi-permanent (or permanent) changes to the application layout and behaviour.
It’s also notable that if you view this is the same menu that shows you the option to show/hide the menu and it’s shortcut CtrlM which should only be needed once or twice until you remember it.
Sadly, the shortcut F10 is also very important and doesn’t appear there, so many people maybe won’t discover that.
Things you changed based on what you’re doing NOW, so likely zooming in/out, show/hide panels, switching views (Icons or List in Dolphin)…
Your view might come from other ecosystems, like Gnome, or Windows, or macOS where the distinction is more blurry and less strict.
KDE is ‘simple by default’ but also ‘powerful by choice’…
Learn the keyboard shortcut CtrlAltI to start your journey.
It will take you to your command search and is immensely more useful than clicking a menu for anything you are already aware of… I challenge you to read it’s entire contents, or even put those contents efficiently into menus without some ‘overlapping’ ideas that might not seem entirely logical… it’s fuzzy and very cute (",)
In Dolphin, or Kate, if you press this and type ‘tool’ you’ll directly see the toolbar show/hide and any keyboard shortcut.
There isn’t one?
Ok, so the next shortcut is this:
CtrlAlt, which opens the keyboard shortcuts - then you can enter your own for toggling the toolbar (or, if you don’t do it often, remember the first shortcut…). CtrlAltI type ‘Shortcut’ and you’ll go right there…
Things you changed based on what you’re doing NOW, so likely zooming in/out, show/hide panels, switching views (Icons or List in Dolphin)…
By this logic, sidepanels are also quite permanent. Not sure KDE’s distinction in practice is so sharp. I wonder if usage where people switch panels off and on all the time is frequent. Logically, I would think settings are for behaviour and view for what is displayed (though of course the distinction can be blurry, as settings also lets you enable or disable parts that are then displayed.
I do use Quick Open, but for this particualr setting it’s ui is not great as it does not show the state of the toggle (yeah, I see it in the interface, but still) and only shows the immediate parent in the menu structure.
Hmmm I’m not sure, I remember function keys to toggle them and use those a lot; I’m not a real fan of menus except as a way to discover things I don’t already know. I’m not sure ‘permanence’ is the logic though…
I’m trying to think, Toolbars are really the main window’s user interface (not the View). I certainly do use F3F9 and F4F7 a lot in Dolphin… as I like to pop up my terminal for navigation very frequently, only using Places for a few items (and Bookmarks for often forgotten obscure ones).
well, depends, I do also close and open terminal, but places and informations are always open - in Dolphin they are all panels, in Kate Terminal is a tool. I just do not think the boundaries are as strict as you say they are :-).