KDE Plasma 6 is successor to KDE Plasma 5 created by the KDE Community. It is based on Qt 6 and KDE Frameworks 6 and brings many changes and improvements over previous versions. For Fedora Linux, the transition to KDE Plasma 6 will also include dropping support for the X11 session entirely, leaving only Plasma Wayland as the sole offered desktop mode.
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And plenty of endusers WILL be adding it back cause Iām willing to bet Wayland will not be ready for primetime by the time Plasma 6.0 is released. I love Plasma and KDE apps but the decision to default to Wayland is a HUGE mistake. The decision should be upto the particular distros and endusers. KDE devs time would be better spent combining the features of Activities and Virtual Desktop and disposing of one of them, cause there really is no legitimate reason to have both Activities and Virtual Desktops.
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Thatās exactly what this post is saying? Fedora is going to drop the support for the X11 version of KDE Plasma 6.
Itās not KDE that is dropping the support.
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Lets not take what someone said out of context cause it helps no one.
From what i understand theyāre not dropping it completely, only its support.
That means youāll see only the Plasma Wayland session available on the login screen by default, youāll be able to install the Plasma X11 session manually from the repositories (and lose support for reporting bugs), and you will need to be testing your bugs on the Plasma Wayland session before those can be reported on their issue tracker.
Apparently they are indeed planning to drop the X11 packages as well as the session.
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Which is ignorant on Fedoraās part cause rather the enduser chooses to use x11 or Wayland should be the endusers choice.
You are using a free software made by a community of volunteers in their free time, you have no right to impose what you want.
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Lets try this again. I was not making a edict, demand, or trying to impose my way on anyone or any thing. Please do not post just to puff your chest for no legitimate reason.
Thereās something familiar about the writing style of @UpYours that I canāt quite Locutus locate 
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I might have to change distribution due to this. I do not see how wayland will be useful for me as a daily driver yet. To reiterate my pain points again and get ignored, it lacks -
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The colour management protocol is still not finalised and there is no proper implementation for that in wayland.
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No extensive support for configuring graphic tablet. There is a new tablet settings kcm but they do not cover all the things that can currently have to configure a tablet on X. On X even if the GUI doesnāt offer me a way there is a cli utility which is absent on wayland.
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No proper support for creative apps mainly krita under wayland. Even if it is forced to run via xwayland there are glitches and crashes.
I hope other ditros do not follow suit or I think a lot of professional artists will be on windows soon. 3 cheers for year of linux desktop, wayland does run vim and cli without any issue so there it works 100%.
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Unless I am misinterpreting this message there wonāt be any x11 packages which is maintained by KDE sig team and someone from community need to maintain those packages and if someone doesnāt there will be no plasma x11 on fedora 40. Am I correct in this understanding?
Ah, I think youāre right.
I looked at the original discussion before but completely missed this:
1-a. Could they download the spin image and install with wayland, but afterwards manually install x11 and still have KDE+X11 appear as an option on the login screen?
If Xorg maintenance is droppedā¦ likely that possibility wonāt exist.
This is a bit farther than I was expecting, especially since neither kwin or plasma-desktop have flags to build without X11, but apparently Split kwin_x11 and kwin_wayland code bases (#139) Ā· Issues Ā· Plasma / KWin Ā· GitLab exists.
I actually have been wanting the ability to build all of my KDE stuff without X11 for a while now, but I thought we were very far from it happening. Imagine the compile time decrease. 
Iām not sure if āignored without empathyā is completely correct, color management is on the radar for a lot of Wayland developers (and I think spearheaded by Fedora specifically, along with HDR). Itās just a complex issue. Yes it does suck that Wayland lacks color management, but I think Fedoraās idea [of dropping X11] will accelerate the process.
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@raghukamath please donāt be over dramatic. I understand that this situation sucks for you. I donāt even agree to drop the X11 session.
BUT this is not the end of the world. Some distros will support X11 for a long time. Most likely way longer than you will be on X11. Also Fedora 40 is like 6 months away, who knows maybe your issues get solved by then.
Again I understand your frustration potentially having to move away from your distro because your usecase isnāt supported, but there is no need to cry about wayland overlords.
If you havenāt already contact the devs, maybe you can help out. Afaik developing this without actually owning such hardware is difficult. By that I donāt mean you have to develop this by yourself. But maybe you can help out with testing the code, file feature request what is actually needed for your specific tablet etcā¦
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Oh dear. I just read thisā¦
A distro without colour management and that super limited tablet support screams to all artists, graphists and designers that they are no longer welcome in this community.
It is so sad and infuriating to feel rejected by the Fedora KDE community in this way. I thought that I had finally found a good distro and I was happy to be able to advocate for itā¦
But decisions like this clearly show that weāre not important and that itās OK to sabotage our tools and workflows. We are litteraly pushed to the exit door.
Thatās why from now on I donāt want to read any more about a dev of this community crying about why there arenāt more artists, graphists or designers in the free/libre and open source movement, when it is clearly designed that way. Iāll also have to communicate why this distro is a terrible choice and put a header āwarningā on all my previous guides and publications on the topic.
I donāt buy the myth of ārelease unfinished and let the community fix itā. Itās been 14 years I see this toxic pattern and every time it just drives users away. Getting monitor calibrated and profiled is a basic necessity for me, something I could do on any distro in 2009. It hurts to see such regression.
Well, Iām done. Iāll move all the tools for my community project Pepper&Carrot to another distro. Iām in shock because itās an unexpectedly large amount of study and work todo suddently falling on my plate, and it will have a big impact on my productivityā¦ and thus on my delay to deliver, and thus on my income in an already difficult time.
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Welcome to openSUSE Tumbleweed, BTW. It also uses rpm, and Plasma is well maintained.
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FWIW my wife is a digital artist using Fedora KDE on Wayland with a graphics tablet and Krita, and I havenāt heard any complaints from her about it. I guess sheās not using any of the things that are missing?
Do we have a solid list anywhere of exactly whatās missing that would help artistic folks transition to Wayland? Iāve seen a lot of scattered bug reports, forum posts and complaints, but itās never managed to come together in my mind in the form of a cohesive āhereās exactly what artists needā document.
I would be interested in helping to make this happen to the extent that Iām able.
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Hey @ngraham , thanks for replying and bravo for your work on KDE and the weekly post.
Since yesterday, I read on Wikipedia that Fedora 40 is planned for April 2024, so it is less immediate than what I thought when I wrote my reply yesterday (I probably assumed the release would be this fall). I can relativise today and put aside the feeling of emergency. Good.
Probably, I guess. How does she calibrate her monitor? What is her colorimeter? How does she apply the profile? To how many monitors? Does she calibrate a printer? a scanner? What is her color workflow if she publishes?
I could also ask question about the tablet, multimonitors setup, recording/livestreaming demo, Krita on Wayland issues, etcā¦ Last time I tested (April/Mai?) it wasnāt possible for me to setup my tablet, my color workflow, and Krita on KDE Wayland.
I remember I was invited more than once with other artists/graphist/designers to write this type of info (or livestream meeting) on color management discussions and tablet. But right: scattered because somewhere somewhere on phabricator, or Gitlab, or on wiki, bug report, etcā¦
But Iām ok and ready to do it again if it is just a communication issue.
Thank you. Be sure Iām interested too to move things in the right direction.
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We did this meeting to convey what is missing
https://phabricator.kde.org/T14971
+1 to what David said, I am too open to do a meeting or any testing help or any other thing that is possible from me to make this a smooth transition rather than an abrupt one.
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Iām not a designer nor an artist, but the most obvious issue is that selecting and applying ā.iccā color profile via āPlasma settings - Color Managementā page isnāt fully implemented on Wayland, and it needs the usage of colormgr on terminal to add it to the target device.
See Archlinux - ICC_profiles - Wayland.
