New window/modal placements random annoyingly, wayland vs xorg

Switching over to wayland a few days ago and using it fresh updated to 6.3.2, the most annoying thing I’ve had to deal with is new spawn windows are showing up randomly across my displays, often hiding behind my main panels on top/bottom, and otherwise being crappy about its choice of places at the furthest point from where I am looking at the windows I’m working in.

I’m odd that I use usually 2 or 3x 50" TV’s on my desk and sit a foot or two away, and when these menu’s show up anywhere but near the parent window, I have to start playing “where’s waldo” scanning physically across displays (I’m old, eyesight is going) for where the window showed up for every “accept/cancel” modal, or whatever I’m doing. There’s simply no predictability where these windows spawn now vs. under xorg, which after a few days is infuriating.

Is this a plasma problem or wayland itself?

I’m new to wayland still, I’ve not seen it actually usable until quite recently, but 2 weeks ago trying it still resulted in 6 crashes in two days before I went back to xorg just so I could works, still I noticed this random pop-up window issue then too. I switched to wayland to play monster hunter wild as it’s simply smoother framerates over xorg, but using as a desktop with the random window placement is annoying me fiercely, and doesn’t do so in xorg with a certain amount of proximity boundary for how far away the window may spawn.

Hi - just to check, what’s selected on your device in System Settings > Window Management > Window Behavior > Advanced, in the “Window placement” dropdown?

Hi John, mine was set to “minimize overlapping”, which once seeing where you pointed out, changed to “centered” as well which seems have made it behave more reasonably as I’d expect with a few tests.

Thanks for that, though now I’m curious why or how that changed, as it doesn’t seem to have been that way under xorg prior.

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That is one of the reasons I do not use Wayland.

  • My WM is already set to centered and to remember their position and size, and still windows open on the wrong display.

  • Dialogs and even windows open buried behind other windows but still have focus making it impossible to click through because it wont come to the top even with alt-tab, even the Application Dashboard loses focus.

  • Endless visual glitches and random crashes including the whole DT.

IMO Wayland is still beta software (at best).

I found the smoothness of Wayland is actually an illusion. Going to the desktop effects section in X11 and tweaking the delays and animation speeds brings X11 to the exact same smoothness as Wayland.