Using Wine or a Virtual Machine

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I did, did you?

VirtualBox 7.0.14 for Linux

Links to a bunch of deb and rpm files…

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I’m not sure I follow :\

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Those are not repositories is my point.
And all those distros linked with their packages exist on each of those distros, so there is no need to get anything here, except if you are not on one of the listed distros.

So you were literally recommending people to run the “all distros” version, and I say no, do not do that.

Unless you know exactly what you are doing, ALWAYS USE A PACKAGE MANAGER with the packages your distro provides. If not provided, switch distro.

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Please read the page until the end.

No! I recommended to use the repo according to their distro, as described in the link I provided

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Ok, I did, what should I be looking at?

There are no repositories in that link.
This might be a good time to start looking into what a deb or rpm really is. :kissing_closed_eyes:

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Debian-based Linux distributions

Add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list.
yada yada…

RPM-based Linux distributions

We provide a yum/dnf-style repository for Oracle Linux/Fedora/RHEL/openSUSE.
yada yada…

Where “yada yada…” is the instructions on how to add the repository to your system

Thanks for the advice! I really appreciate it!

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Wait, you are right!! I am blown away! I knew Ubuntu was a joke, but that they don’t provide virtualbox in their repos. LMAO
I am so sorry, it never even crossed my mind! :rofl:

I saw the repos, and I wanted you to tell me “that is how you install it” and I was going to say “yeah, if you want to break your other packages on your normal repos” but your are fkn right!
hoooooly cr*p. I never stop to be amazed by that company.
Even debian has a package, but not Ubuntu… LMAO

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As per the KDE’s Code of Conduct, I’m not continuing this discussion.

Thanks again for your feedback!

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Virtualbox…

There is a reason I’m not using that. I’d use it if I was running Linux on Windows but if you are running Windows on Linux then Virtual Machine Manager is fine.

If I remember correctly Virtualbox was dead slow and had a screen resolution limit.

My experience was it is all very crappy until you do VMM or Proxmox with video pass through.

If you seriously need to run a modern windows program then be serious about it. Take the VMM + pass through route and you will absolutely, after some work, get a great outcome.

The alternative, what I fist did, was…

1 - Try Wine
program installer doesn’t work, waste to days and get no where

2 - Try Bottles
see above

3 - Try VirtualBox
limits on screen resolution
not all software will install

4 - Try VMM
Horrible video frame rate
Felt like some Wayland stuff was perhaps lacking?

5 - Try VMM with pass through
Messy, took time to suss
Got over a mouse keyboard switching issue by buying a box to share it
Anything windows works perfectly

That end point is common for those than need windows to totally work.

The best solution is not to run windows stuff on Linux and to seek out Linux solutions. Which I clearly didn’t believe when I was told.

It gets to, if you are running windows anyway then maybe you should run Linux on Windows? And then near everything for Linux is on windows so why run Linux at all.

It was 6 months ago I set it up… the horrible performance of the VMs could have been Wayland related. It was near to usable with X. But only near to.

I’d say just do 5 and be done with it. There was a lot of disappointment in 1-4.

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I think I will keep my old MacBook, since there CrossOver works perfect. Also for the ReMarkable cliënt.
It’s true, finding Linux-replacements is the best way. Alas, some devices make their own clients and only for Win or Mac.
(I would hope for Tonium Pacemaker, I can use a database-editor to transfer mp3-files and make the device notice those)

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Discouraging you from trying at all isn’t my goal.

That’s a pretty simple app, you should at least try Wine.

If it was a complex app then forget Wine and do 5.

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It really depends on what you want to do with your Windows virtual box - if you want to do serious graphicking, such as powering very large displays or 3D games, then you will be miserable without a video passthrough. but video passthroughs are very hard to set up, not to mention expensive and if you just want to run some productivity application that runs poorly on Wine, then using VMM with the built-in SPICE virtual display driver, or even VirtualBox with their “WineD3D acceleration” is more than enough.

I need to run a few .Net applications that don’t work well at all on Mono, so I’m running them under Bottles - it is sometimes painfully slow (which isn’t a Bottles issue - its just Wine + .Net is sometimes like that) but works well enough for my use.

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To do 5, I need two graphic cards, which I don’t have.

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if you have an integrated GPU on your motherboard, you can use that for linux and pass the GPU to windows… but that can be pretty limiting

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Yes you need 2 graphics cards.

The problem I found was under Wayland I could get at best 15 frames a second or less in any of the VNC tools. I’d say Don’t use Wayland and when I asked Warp to fix it, it’s solution was don’t use Wayland as well.

I’d did a rebuild and now because Windows isn’t installed it won’t allow me to download it.

There’s always been Wine and breaking rules.

My views are changing by the day… My current overall thinking is that Linux is now the accelerated development platform. We need to take existing programs and rapidly expand the feature set using the very AI that the corporate world trained on our code bases.

Open Source is developer poor. What I’m seeing is X100 the development speed using a single AI terminal. I can open many terminals. Each working on different problems.

And I’m not very smart! I’m happy to sit in the role of dumbarse with a dunces hat in the corner.

What happens when you give the WINE code to an AI and just ask it to find the missing Windows API implementations and fix them?

What happens if 10 people do that independently and then merge the best of the invented solutions?

We don’t write in assembly language. We move on.

We aren’t moving into this fast enough because we are still in shock “they took our jebs”. When we better get our heads around the facts, the reality is our developers can do X100 the same work in a given time period, “they gave us staff”.

It’s no longer “we can’t add features like that in this development cycle” but “would you like even more features and here are some suggestions”.

If you have a small issue one where “I’ve been told there is a way …” then just follow up on it with a Warp terminal for now. Then you get it. “The power of Linux is in my hands.”

I’m about to lose a job this week. I’m putting KDE on the business partner’s laptop, install Warp and never doing his hideous support where he can’t remember passwords again.

We need to look at the code base and this more features that a developer could read without throwing up from mental overload.

So ask an AI how to improve WINE or your install of WINE. Here’s the question as asked here. Note that eager beaver is off to download WINE and get started.

See Warp as something that you pay for now because we don’t have a KDE AI tool set. It’s not a forever tool or ideal. But it does give a technology preview.

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