@Angus, nope. I screenshotted it from my own system. A perfectly reasonable thing to do, considering her own PC is in her own house, whereas mine is here. It in no respect demonstrated that her PC was configured to use the dark theme. You assumed that.
I don’t want your comments here. They serve no purpose except to demonstrate your own emotional immaturity. I have no idea of where you’re failing to understand this.
I merely created some color scheme and applied it to the ms windows application style. The icons I took from Chicago 95. I’m sure there are better ways for someone who’d really want such a style but the point is, it can be done. In gtk this type of stuff is, if I recall correctly, the Redmond thing…style…something. …ish. That.
Nah, that old style was just an example, a thing of times past. My point was that if ( especially old folks) ask me to learn them a tit of computing I begin with asking if they have a computer to begin with. If not, a good second hand ( no need for a beast) would be great. I then mostly put some debian or mint xfce on the stuff for the simple reason that that system is less prone to…how to put it…poke around out of curiosity and mess stuff up. Cause if there’s one type of phone call that became a mantra it was " J, could you come over, I think I messed up by trying this and that", which on a kde system, due to its many config options, is more likely to happen. Curiosity killed the cat and all that. More basic, more bulletproof so to speak. Don’t get me wrong, xfce is still very very popular, it’s not some relic from the battle of Austerlitz and a lot can be done in terms of personal settings. Less than kde, for sure, but still. A couple of days ago I took a look at the latest MX xfce and fiddled a bit with a LIVE iso. Nothing groundbreaking but, in this case, a global menu, an overview…Simple, functional and rock solid, especially the two OS’es I mentioned.
PS: On a sidenote. About that “visits of the grandchildren”. When I am talking about the elder, I’m talking about the elder in general. Not my own grandmother persé. Learning “them” (as in “general”) some puter stuff. And a big chunk of “them” indeed doesn’t see as much of their kids as they would like. Hence some googling and a videochat.
Please be a little bit more respectful towards each other, I shouldn’t be seeing messages like this:
And please keep the thread on topic. I don’t think 3rd party themes are relevant because he probably wants upstream Breeze to do this. AFAIK it isn’t a thing yet but is being discussed what to do with the frame.
@redstrate, as in, there happens to be a discussion about the frame border on the scrollbars? I’ve realized now that it appears to necessitate a modification to the Breeze theme and thus isn’t worth the hassle, but if there’s already a discussion, I’d like to follow it.
A pity this thread descended into name-calling, as I think the OP is making a very valid point.
That is that I the fashionable minimalistic arrowless scrollbars are not as usable for many people than the traditional ones that we’ve had since the 1980s.
It isn’t only old people, I find I sometimes need to scroll a a small increment and that an arrow is the best way to do it.
I’m not caring as much about the background, but think the separator opacity could have been reduced or something rather than removing the background. I also think the new “Clicking in scrollbar track” setting as “scrolls to the clicked location” by default is a bad change - now not only do you not have arrows, but you cannot scroll a small increment by default at all!
OP, you might want to try my Klassy application style. It is a fork of Breeze and mainly a change to the window decoration, but there are also changes in the Application Style. One of them is that, unlike Breeze 6.02, Klassy 6 still has the scrollbar background.
I have also been trying to work on a way to address the fashionistas’ desire for scrollbar minimalism yet still keeping scrollbar functionality - my scrollbar design is not complete yet but it is like this now:
I have made the scrollbars configurable in the Application Style settings as well, so for your use-case of something traditional, you probably would want to untick “Auto-hide arrows” and set “Slider thickness when mouse is not over” to 100%:
Plasma 6 seems to have trimmed down the options a tad…
No, Plasma 6 didn’t trim down the options. Those are options I added in Klassy that aren’t in Breeze.
Ur, huh? Must admit I ain’t much of a tweaker - never felt the need to go past the “General” tab on a theme, so that there is 2 tabs into “here be monsters” territory…
<toddles off for a few mins>
Holy moly… Nice job. Oh, and happy 3rd, Klassy…
@paulm, thank you. This appears to be what I’ve been looking for. I think a few of the options should make it seem more familiar to her. However, can the background always remain visible? That’s ultimately all which has been mentioned to me by her thus far.
I agree, for the same reason as:
However, for that same reason, I disagree with your assessment that:
…because I believe that arrows are the sole solution to this, whereas clicking the scroll bar should indeed take the user to where they clicked, lest the functionality be unnecessarily duplicated.
Currently it is only visible on mouse-over (that is the original unchanged behaviour taken from Breeze when I forked).
Except, by default in KDE 6 arrows aren’t enabled, and with “Scrolls to the clicked location” also the default, then you cannot scroll a small amount using the mouse with the KDE 6 defaults at all!
I also think there is extra functionality in being able to scroll a small amount (by clicking the arrow), or a larger amount by clicking the scrollbar background.
Indeed, @paulm. Consequently, I believe that arrows should be present by default — I consider both abilities equally as important, as I expect most do.
Regardless, I wasn’t aware they could be enabled in unmodified Breeze at all!
That’s a massive improvement. Thank you.
